Cork Hurlers 2019

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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby tipp-ex » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:48 am

Tuesday and it still hurts. Getting texts off fellas in other counties taking the piss out of our recent record. Ahhhhh
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby over40hurler » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:47 pm

youngbob wrote:I agree with O'Grady when he said we didn't play enough through the lines. No matter what others say that is our game. From FB line to HB to MF, to runners in HF line. That is not 'tippy-tappy' hurling, that called possession hurling. What we did yesterday was play two passes and still not get out of the FB line. We never got Cooper or Fitzy on the ball going forward. When HB line got the ball they played it either to the HF or FF line. Our usual game plan is to have our half forwards just behind the MF so went Cooper and Fitzy carry the ball Kearney and Meade are on their shoulders. We hit long ball in our HF line and got nothing from it. Definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. You can disagree with the game plan, but if that's what's practiced during training you can't abandon it in the heat of battle and hit long ball and hope for the best. Hoggie collected 1 long ball and clung it but how many others were cannon fodder for Kk. Shamie never got running with the ball either. Cads got on it when played low into the corner but at best they were more 50/50 balls that he had to break a gut to get to, not handpasses he was able to run on to. I was talking to one of the backroom today and he told me the dithering in the FB line created nervousness throughout the defense. I always think of Mike Tysons answer when asked about an opponents game plan. He replied a punch in the nose dispells any game plan.
If Cooper stays on I'd love to see him CB, he'll probably be playing there this year with Imokilly as Niall O'Leary is committed to UCC. Will be interesting to see how he does. He would bring a bit of calmness to the defense. God knows it could do with it

I would be interested on the stats on how many times the ball went across the half back line before it was then delivered to a kk player. Because from where I was sitting it looked like every back had to touch the ball before it was played anywhere. Ellis was taken out of cb the only position he appears comfortable for what to allow Stephen Mcdonnell to cough up free after free on tj. I keep reading how myler strengthened his panel especially forwards, how many of those did he use when push.came to shove. He fell back on the old reliables who have proven that they struggle when the tempo ups. Kingston has the a terrible first touch and in the league that is fine but when the pace gets faster that is going to kill him every time. Lehane while undoubtedly a talented hurler has not played well all year. Dalton looked good anytime he got a run, why not put him in there on Sunday instead of lehane. Even put harnedy in the cf position at least he will catch a ball. Where has Jack o Connor been all this time, pace to burn sitting on the bench with all the other forwards myler has unearthed in his two years. He inherited a team full of promise and will leave a team in disarray . And the way things are going ring will get the job and more of the same will follow.
Maybe it is just that it is too soon to be rational about this but going to Dublin my brother and I predicted that a game like that was on the cards. We started the year in ennis in the Co op and the team haven't progressed much since then. We were crying out for a bit of leadership from management but all we got was more of the same.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby over40hurler » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:58 pm

Now, we have every Tom, dick and Harry telling us that Cork are flaky. All the former managers who failed to do it when it counted, cunningham, dalo loughnane et Al.. I know players have to take responsibility for what happens on the pitch but so much what happens off the pitch sets the tone for what happens on it.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby leesider » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:01 am

tipp-ex wrote:Cork have won 2 Senior All Irelands this century. One minor and no u21. Abysmal


This is true. We call ourselves a hurling stronghold yet the facts prove otherwise:

No senior hurling All-Ireland in 14 years
No U-21 (or u-20 as it is called now) All-Ireland in 21 years
No minor All-Ireland in 18 years.

We are a laughing stock.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby youngbob » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:14 pm

I was talking to a guy last night who knows Kieran Kingston well. He was telling me, in one game he thought Bill Cooper wasn't having a good game, he asked Kingston a couple of days afterwards why he didn't take Cooper off? Kingston told him, of all players he wouldn't ever take Bill off unless injured. He's explanation was Coleman Fitzy and his son Shane would be lost without Bill's influence. When they first came into the team Bill had a fierce effect on settling them during matches. Imagine the effect he'd have on a few young defenders if he was slotted in CB.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby Matty Hislop » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:11 pm

youngbob wrote:I was talking to a guy last night who knows Kieran Kingston well. He was telling me, in one game he thought Bill Cooper wasn't having a good game, he asked Kingston a couple of days afterwards why he didn't take Cooper off? Kingston told him, of all players he wouldn't ever take Bill off unless injured. He's explanation was Coleman Fitzy and his son Shane would be lost without Bill's influence. When they first came into the team Bill had a fierce effect on settling them during matches. Imagine the effect he'd have on a few young defenders if he was slotted in CB.


He could do a job there. Bill does suffer from injury and is not getting any younger but he could steady up the HB line. We would need another teak tough midfielder to play his role then.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby donal66 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:56 am

Time for Cork to get tough
County’s lack of aggression and intensity has gone on for too long

Denis Walsh
July 21 2019, 12:01am,
The Sunday Times

Short, sharp shock: Cork should turn to former goalkeeper Donal Og Cusack

Three years ago, on the morning after Westmeath ambushed Kilkenny in the under-21 championship, Eddie Brennan took a call from Brian Cody. It was Brennan’s first taste of inter-county management and Cody had been instrumental in his appointment. The message from the master that morning was simple and blunt: Brennan, he said, had picked too many “nice hurlers.”

Strip away the match-day diplomacy and it’s not difficult to imagine what Cody really thinks of Cork: on their day they are nice to watch; most of the time they are nice to play against. Look at what Cork conceded last Sunday: 2-27 is Kilkenny’s biggest total against a top nine team in the championship since they carpet-bombed Wexford in the 2015 Leinster semi-final and racked up 5-25. They achieved that total last Sunday despite TJ Reid’s failure to score from play.

Kilkenny’s total was just a point less than the number Tipperary visited upon Cork in the opening round of the Munster championship when Cork’s childish defending was excoriated on The Sunday Game and John Meyler accepted that Cork’s work rate and heart for the battle had been deficient. How could that have been allowed to happen again?

Clare’s biggest total of the championship came against Cork, more than twice as big their total against Limerick and nearly twice as big as their total against Tipperary. Even Westmeath, who could scarcely keep the ball pucked out to Cork, were permitted to have 35 shots at the Cork goal. Among the top teams the working target is to limit the opposition to less than 30 shots. Cork couldn’t manage that against the McDonagh Cup runners-up.

The make-up of the Cork defence is part of the problem but the greater issue is in the forwards. What modern coaches talk about is the premium value of tacklers coming from behind. So half-backs should come under most pressure from the opposition’s full-forward line and every player from numbers eight to 12 should feel threatened by the other team’s half-forwards. That is the fundamental principle of Limerick’s defensive system: their forwards are their most successful tacklers.

How many of Cork’s forwards fit that model? Two, sometimes three. Never four. And yet, when they beat Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds, it was because the defensive effort was collective, concentrated and conscientious. That performance damns Cork’s season more than any other: it is within the compass of this group to produce a sustained storm of targeted aggression and high intensity and yet they failed to muster any such thing against Tipperary, Kilkenny and Clare.

That is a cultural issue within the group. Even though Kilkenny have been patchy this summer and their limitations have been exposed at times none of their players would entertain the possibility of not tackling and not bursting themselves in the chase. In this selflessness there is an element of self-preservation: in the Cody era every Kilkenny player knows that the best way to promote himself is to surrender himself to the service of others. That principle drives every Kilkenny performance.

What guiding principle can we attribute to Cork, day-in, day-out? They played well once in the league this year (against Limerick) and once in the championship (against Limerick). Those performances were unforeseeable. How could Cork hope to build a title challenge when they didn’t know if one good performance would be followed by another?

Meyler’s two-year term has elapsed. In our view it is time for change. The current set-up has lost energy and direction. Allowing the relationship with Gary Keegan to drift towards separation last summer was a calamitous error of judgement that has hurt Cork this year; the players were mad about him, the manager was evidently indifferent and the input of the leading high performance coach in Irish sport was lost. The next time you see Keegan he will be sitting at Jim Gavin’s table at Dublin’s victory banquet, just like he has been for the last four years; the Dublin manager couldn’t imagine being without him.

This group of players needs the electricity of something bracingly fresh. Somebody who will challenge them to within an inch of their lives. The man to do it is Donal Og Cusack: a modern, progressive coach who has the wherewithal to affect people. Cork have been nice or far too long. There is no future in it.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby Dorcha » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:08 am

Some people are also calling for Donal Og on PROC and some are against it. His would be a divisive appointment more than any other manager. He would probably like to say that the last players’ strike benefited Cork hurling when, in truth, it did damage which lasts to this day. All it achieved was the removal of Gerald McCarthy while leaving the prime cause of the problem (the county board) untouched. As anyone who has read his book will know, Donal Og rejected reconciliation with the players who had filled in for Cork during the strike, pettiness, followed by pettiness.

And what are his achievements, coach-wise? Three-in-a-row county final failures with Cloyne, and advisor-in-chief to Davy Fitzgerald with Clare. Before his appointment there, he had been critical of Davy’s methods. Once with him, however, he endorsed them.

No, Donal Og is the last thing Cork needs.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby Matty Hislop » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:56 pm

Dorcha wrote:Some people are also calling for Donal Og on PROC and some are against it. His would be a divisive appointment more than any other manager. He would probably like to say that the last players’ strike benefited Cork hurling when, in truth, it did damage which lasts to this day. All it achieved was the removal of Gerald McCarthy while leaving the prime cause of the problem (the county board) untouched. As anyone who has read his book will know, Donal Og rejected reconciliation with the players who had filled in for Cork during the strike, pettiness, followed by pettiness.

And what are his achievements, coach-wise? Three-in-a-row county final failures with Cloyne, and advisor-in-chief to Davy Fitzgerald with Clare. Before his appointment there, he had been critical of Davy’s methods. Once with him, however, he endorsed them.

No, Donal Og is the last thing Cork needs.


Agreed. And if the hurlers under achieve on his watch it would lead to more division amongst Cork hurling people. A step backwards if you ask me.
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Re: Cork Hurlers 2019

Postby Lurker » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:37 pm

Tony Leen saying on Twitter that he's been reliably informed that John Meyler won't be continuing on as Cork Hurling Manager, and that developments are anticipated today.

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