Cork U20 Football 2020

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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Lurker » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:22 am

Ranty wrote:Blake Murphy is a superstar in the making and scored 1-3 with Mark Cronin adding 0-4. That leaves 2 effing points for Jack and Fionn.


v. Clare:
Scorers for Cork: B Murphy (0-8, 6f, 1 M, 1 ’45), J Murphy (1-0), M Cronin (0-2,1f), F Herlihy (0-1).

v. Kerry
Scorers for Cork: B Murphy (1-3); M Cronin (0-4, 0-1 free); F Herlihy, J Murphy (0-1 each).


Only a spread of four scorers over the two games, that game in Milltown Malbay was unfortunately a better indicator than we probably realised. O'Hanlon shouldn't have been selected if he was that rusty, he struggled all night. Lawton wasn't setting the world on fire but midfield completely malfunctioned without him, and we won almost everything beforehand, certainly from our own booming kickouts. Disappointing night, one of the poorer Kerry sides we'll come across until we gave them the oxygen to grown in confidence through our own underperformance.
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby tipp-ex » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:26 am

The old order has been restored. Kerry don't do 2 in a row defeats to Cork
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Dorcha » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:12 pm

tipp-ex wrote:The old order has been restored. Kerry don't do 2 in a row defeats to Cork

They do.

Munster Under 21 finals

2011: Cork 2-24; Kerry 0-8
2012: Cork 2-12; Kerry 1-14

1981: Cork 0-11; Kerry 0-6
1982: Cork 2-12; Kerry 0-4

Cork and Kerry now share top spot on the winners table with 27 apiece.
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Ranty » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:55 pm

Cormican's " The 60 second report" in the Kerry Examiner says otherwise Dorcha under the " Good Day" heading.

"With the two counties having arrived into Tralee tied at 27 Munster titles each at this grade ( Formerly U21) ,
Kerry, by virtue of this win, sneak ahead on the roll of honour."


Wikipedia disagrees with both of you, and as Clark Gable said to Vivien Leigh, " frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
I see now that Chairman Liam Lenihan in his 'Failte' effort on front of match programme confirms Cormican's numbers.
as well as Wiki stats. They both won 26 U 21s and one each U20s so Kerry did sneak ahead last night?

[b]Team Wins Years won Runners up Years runners up
1 Cork 26 1963, 1965, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1974, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1994, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 14 1962, 1966, 1972, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1997, 1999, 2015, 2017
Kerry 26 1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2008, 2017 11 1963, 1969, 1974, 1981, 1982, 2003, 2004, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016[/b
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Lurker » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:35 pm

Dorcha wrote:
tipp-ex wrote:The old order has been restored. Kerry don't do 2 in a row defeats to Cork

They do.

Munster Under 21 finals

2011: Cork 2-24; Kerry 0-8
2012: Cork 2-12; Kerry 1-14

1981: Cork 0-11; Kerry 0-6
1982: Cork 2-12; Kerry 0-4

Cork and Kerry now share top spot on the winners table with 27 apiece.


And that's only finals. We've beaten Kerry two years in a row at this grade numerous other times I would suggest. Hasn't done us much good in the greater scheme of things, but that's another (depressing) conversation.
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Dorcha » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:46 pm

Ranty wrote:Cormican's " The 60 second report" in the Kerry Examiner says otherwise Dorcha under the " Good Day" heading.

"With the two counties having arrived into Tralee tied at 27 Munster titles each at this grade ( Formerly U21) ,
Kerry, by virtue of this win, sneak ahead on the roll of honour."


Wikipedia disagrees with both of you, and as Clark Gable said to Vivien Leigh, " frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
I see now that Chairman Liam Lenihan in his 'Failte' effort on front of match programme confirms Cormican's numbers.
as well as Wiki stats. They both won 26 U 21s and one each U20s so Kerry did sneak ahead last night?

[b]Team Wins Years won Runners up Years runners up
1 Cork 26 1963, 1965, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1974, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1994, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 14 1962, 1966, 1972, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1997, 1999, 2015, 2017
Kerry 26 1962, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2008, 2017 11 1963, 1969, 1974, 1981, 1982, 2003, 2004, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2016[/b

Well, the Wikkipaedia page I went to for my “facts” is updated only as far as 2017 and shows that Cork and Kerry both have 26 wins. Always a little behind the times, I just added on the 2018 and 2019 titles, forgetting that this is 2020. Still Cork have always given as good as they got in this grade and are in no way inferior to Kerry. In fact, the All-Ireland series, updated to 2019, shows that Cork top that particular table, with 12 titles to Kerry’s 10.
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Dorcha » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:49 pm

Lurker wrote:
Dorcha wrote:
tipp-ex wrote:The old order has been restored. Kerry don't do 2 in a row defeats to Cork

They do.

Munster Under 21 finals

2011: Cork 2-24; Kerry 0-8
2012: Cork 2-12; Kerry 1-14

1981: Cork 0-11; Kerry 0-6
1982: Cork 2-12; Kerry 0-4

Cork and Kerry now share top spot on the winners table with 27 apiece.


And that's only finals. We've beaten Kerry two years in a row at this grade numerous other times I would suggest. Hasn't done us much good in the greater scheme of things, but that's another (depressing) conversation.

That's what I suspect, as well, but with a quick search I wasn't able to find the early rounds of the competitions, but as you've noted, making it count at senior level is where we've constantly fallen down.
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby donal66 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:29 am

These U21s under KRicken owe us nothing
Whats frustrating is that we lost our shape and competitiveness to a very average Kerry team in the 2nd half
threw in the towel,
it happens too often, like our hurlers v Kilkenny last year
'soft underbelly' !
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby CORKFAN » Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:02 pm

donal66 wrote:These U21s under KRicken owe us nothing
Whats frustrating is that we lost our shape and competitiveness to a very average Kerry team in the 2nd half
threw in the towel,
it happens too often, like our hurlers v Kilkenny last year
'soft underbelly' !


Its a game they will have regrets about just fell apart in the second half , the better team in the first half they just seemed to allowed Kerry back into it and the more confidence they got that was it..
Still Ricken did say that losing as well as well as winning builds character I think we will still get plenty players from this group some had no off season and some key players are just back from injury...I hope they will bottle the pain of this defeat and they will have there day again ..
I Would like to see Eanna O Hanlon, Daniel O Mahony, and Blake Murphy added to the senior panel..and a bolter like the very promising Niall Hartnett..
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Re: Cork U20 Football 2020

Postby Lurker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:49 pm

Dorcha wrote:That's what I suspect, as well, but with a quick search I wasn't able to find the early rounds of the competitions, but as you've noted, making it count at senior level is where we've constantly fallen down.


Munster GAA shows the earlier rounds back as far as 2009. We actually beat Kerry six years in a row at U21 from 2011-2016 - https://munster.gaa.ie/fixtures/under20/

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