The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Ranty
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby Ranty » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:30 pm

Who, if anybody/group wil be held to account for previous shambolic attempt at producing an playing surface?
I know that answer, but had to ask.
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby jbm1 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:05 am

I see where "Weddings by Bob" has got his pound of flesh from Croke Park with an apology...It should have be 96 mill and not 110 that Peter McKenna suggested it might be..The same guy and fellow "Frank men" who oversaw the debacle in the first place and then had to get Headquarters to bail us out..Beggars belief really.
Anyway, thanks Bob, now f. off
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby tipp-ex » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:48 pm

jbm1 wrote:I see where "Weddings by Bob" has got his pound of flesh from Croke Park with an apology...It should have be 96 mill and not 110 that Peter McKenna suggested it might be..The same guy and fellow "Frank men" who oversaw the debacle in the first place and then had to get Headquarters to bail us out..Beggars belief really.
Anyway, thanks Bob, now f. off


And he wont. Central Council Delegate
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby donal66 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:51 pm

I was told confidentially that Frank, Bob and Ger Lane can be seen daily in the PUC office
so ffs is the tail still wagging the dog !
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby Podsy » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:07 pm

jbm1 wrote:I see where "Weddings by Bob" has got his pound of flesh from Croke Park with an apology...It should have be 96 mill and not 110 that Peter McKenna suggested it might be..The same guy and fellow "Frank men" who oversaw the debacle in the first place and then had to get Headquarters to bail us out..Beggars belief really.
Anyway, thanks Bob, now f. off


It was definitely unwise of McKenna to quote figures at the top of the range of negotiation, but Mr. Ryan will get very little sympathy from anyone in Cork or in the general GAA world. The stadium rebuild was first budgeted at €40-60m. The overrun is disgraceful and his successors are still dealing with the legacy. we all will be for many years to come.

Apology, is it...
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby Podsy » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:12 pm

donal66 wrote:I was told confidentially that Frank, Bob and Ger Lane can be seen daily in the PUC office
so ffs is the tail still wagging the dog !


I wouldn't worry about that, Donal.

Nobody has moved into the PUC offices yet for a start. Besides that the three you mentioned above are on the periphery now, and that - without meaning to be personal - is how it should be. Every new employee, administrator or board needs and deserves the space and time to operate in its own way, and from what I hear that is very much the case.
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby Podsy » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:59 am

Martin Breheny in today's Independent - perhaps he should apologise to Mr. Ryan as well...


'Attacking McKenna for Páirc Uí Chaoimh shambles won't distract from the real issues'

If you were to take the latest turn of events in the chaotic saga of the Páirc Uí Chaoimh redevelopment at face value, you might think that it was all Peter McKenna's fault.

Cork County Board were told this week that the GAA's commercial manager and Croke Park stadium director was "incorrect and premature" when stating in an interview last December that the final cost of the development on Leeside could reach €110 million.

Delegates heard how Central Council were told last month that the interview prompted "public and media criticism of those involved in developing the stadium and the steering committee".

Delegates were also informed that the latest estimate for the redevelopment was €95.8m.

Let's leave the complicated dynamic between Croke Park, Cork County Board, Páirc Uí Chaoimh steering committee and contractors to one side and concentrate on an undisputed fact.

The final cost will be at least €25.8m more than the original estimate.

The €70m project was greeted with fanfare when it got the go-ahead from An Bord Pleanála in 2014.

The Cork board issued gushing press releases, highlighting the benefits of having a modern 45,000-capacity facility in the city.

Anyone who queried why it was necessary to build such a large stadium was depicted as a begrudger, utterly devoid of vision.

By November 2016, the estimated cost had shot up to €80m. But fear not, it was under control.

In fact, we were told that if a lucrative naming-rights deal could be landed, the stadium would be virtually debt-free by the time in opened in summer 2017.

Whatever happened to that projection? And how did it subsequently zoom towards €95.8m, which is nearly 37 per cent ahead of the original estimate.

McKenna's statement that the final cost could be €110m had implications far beyond Leeside. How had this happened? Who was responsible? Why weren't better controls in place?

We're now told that McKenna's figure was out by around €11.5m.

Time to put him in stocks then, and blast him with words like 'incorrect' and 'premature'.

But what about the 37 per cent overrun on the original estimate? Presumably, we're expected to accept that it's perfectly normal - and in the context of projects in this country, it probably is - but please don't insult our intelligence by trying to argue that McKenna's comments were the main problem.

They most assuredly were not.

Now if Páirc Uí Chaoimh were a fully-functioning stadium, the high outlay, thought unpalatable, would be put down to an unfortunate experience, best left in the past.

Instead, Cork have announced its closure until early next year so that a new pitch can be installed.

It's not even available for Cork's first Super 8s game, which will be played in Páirc Uí Rinn on the August Bank Holiday weekend.

Chance

So if Cork footballers beat Tyrone on Saturday, presenting them with a chance of qualifying for the All-Ireland semi-final when they play Roscommon, the €95.8m stadium will be empty while crowd restrictions will apply a short distance away in Páirc Uí Rinn.

We are reliably informed that the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh surface will be "in line with the most up-to-date pitch construction technology".

That, of course raises the question: why wasn't that the case in the first place?

Those of us who have been around since the original Páirc Uí Chaoimh was opened in 1976 know that pitch problems have always existed.

We were told it would be different after the redevelopment but, if anything, the surface was worse, as instanced last February when an Allianz League double-header made the surface look like a ploughed field.

Chastising McKenna for his comments on costs may keep some people happy, but it won't alter the reality that the Páirc Uí Chaoimh redevelopment has been an unmitigated shambles.

And it may not be over yet either.
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby donal66 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:50 pm

What do you say Bob !
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby Dorcha » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:10 pm

It's Frank you should be addressing. It was his baby. He even hired a substitute to do his main job so that he could concentrate on the stadium. Frank is cunning. He always remains silent and lets his spokesmen take the flack.

“Gerald is gone Sean Og, but Frank is still there.”

“We can talk to Frank.”

Yeah.
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Re: The Re-Development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh

Postby leesider » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:03 pm

I remember looking at that pitch the first night PUC opened and I wasn't one bit impressed with it.
All the guff beforehand said it would be like a pool table but it was very ordinary. Not really a surprise it has caused problems.

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