Cork U21 hurlers 2017

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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby donal66 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:30 pm

Dalton was fouled about 3 times running through before he blew the whistle, then he reversed his decision.
No way should a Clareman be reffing a Limerick game, most of them work in Limerick or in Shannon cosy cosy.
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby Twohands » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:10 pm

Limerick were th better team on the night, including playing the ref better. They got a few soft frees by exaggerating the impact of the foul but there were very few given against us where there wasn't a foul (bar one where there was a free given against Dalton when it looked to me like the Limerick defender was clearly barging with his head down).

All in all a poor enough game and the wind and/or nerves seemed to really affect both teams. Cork's forwards tried hard but not enough of them were able to win their own ball. We seemed to worry Limerick when we ran at them but we didn't do enough of that and a few of the shot selections were a bit questionable. At the back I thought the defenders did a huge amount right but some of the clearances were sloppy and we coughed up a few frustrating scores or frees from ball that was given back cheaply having been hard won.

No shame in the defeat and a lot of lessons learned for a few young lads who will hopefully be gracing Munster finals again. Good luck to Limerick.
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby redinsf » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:52 pm

The ref was bullied into one or 2 decisions but I honestly think we were flattered by the scoreline . We were very economical in the 1st half considering how rarely we penetrated . Limerick are an unusually experienced side at this level and most of their name players showed up , although their fist pumping was annoying to say the least. Hard not to imagine Cork would have won if they were at full strength tonight..
At the end of the day , Cork defeated the reigning All-Ireland champs on their own turf and had the favourites for this year's crown at the pin of their collar tonight, without playing particularly well in either game.
Is this the final year of the U 21 grade ? Very poor timing for us if so because we would have an exceptional team next year.
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby tipp-ex » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:27 pm

redinsf wrote:The ref was bullied into one or 2 decisions but I honestly think we were flattered by the scoreline . We were very economical in the 1st half considering how rarely we penetrated . Limerick are an unusually experienced side at this level and most of their name players showed up , although their fist pumping was annoying to say the least. Hard not to imagine Cork would have won if they were at full strength tonight..
At the end of the day , Cork defeated the reigning All-Ireland champs on their own turf and had the favourites for this year's crown at the pin of their collar tonight, without playing particularly well in either game.
Is this the final year of the U 21 grade ? Very poor timing for us if so because we would have an exceptional team next year.


Fair post redsinsf. However, I go to bed in Ireland (enjoy the rest of your 8 hour day and go Giants!) annoyed by everything. The ref but the performance) game perplexed me. As I said earlier, totally frustrating and will be for ages
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby CORKFAN » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:02 pm

I Cant help but we could have won this match very fustrating good lord that ref how in a game that close could the free count be 18/5 ...booked Coleman when it should have been Eofghan Murphy , booked Tim O Mahony when it should have been Kingston..no clue at this level ...but i blame Myler more than anything could he not have gone 15 on 15 in the second half with the wind ...i have said this before but i dont think he is great on the line ..The three lads were a huge loss and in the end that costs us ..one other point the Limerick players and crowd not all of them but there is some eejits in them with there gloating ..roll on next year up to 20 lads on this panel are underage please god there day will come before they finish the grade we should have a serious team...for a minute i felt like Thurles again when young Conor Cahalane went on that run alas ...
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby jbm1 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:12 am

A couple of things:

1) Limerick were the better team..Had the better hurlers
2) If we had Fitzgibbon we would have won...Game was set up for him...Receiving the sliothar and running at Limerick
3) "The referee Rory McGann drew the ire of Cork management and supporters at full time, having awarded just one free to Cork in the first half and three in the second. Limerick, in comparison, were awarded close to twenty". The Times - Enough said
4) As a Cork person first and foremost, I generally would support Munster's team in Hurling - I was appalled by Limerick's tactics of the sweeper system..Their management team did Limerick Hurling (and indeed the game of hurling) no favours last evening..The win at all cost mentality will only get you so far with this shite..They really should be ashamed of themselves particularly with this crop of players.
5) Come on Galway
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby Sinbin » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:16 am

I was at the game and haven't watched it back so haven't had the benefit of replays.

Watching live I must say I thought some of the frees awarded to Limercick were pretty dubious, and I'm not a wanton referee basher. Maybe they played the ref better as someone above said but almost every most innocuous of infringements seemed to result in a Limerick free whereas Cork didn't appear to get the same treatment. One close to where I was - I think it was O'Mahoney- pulled on a ball that was loose and there to be played around a limerick players legs - free to Limerick.

Saying all that, the ref didn't beat us. Limerick have some fine players in fairness - Nash, Finn, Gillane, very impressive. The poor start left us with too much ground to make up, I think it was 15 mins before we registered and playing catch-up all night. Some poor and rushed shot selection cost us also in the second half when we had the momentum. Dalton worked hard but had a bit of an off-night, as had Chris O'Leary, which didn't help settle things either. Meade's composure & Fitzgibbon's dynamic were huge losses.

Not a great game either but wouldn't be too despondent - the Cork hurling trajectory still heading in a positive direction and will be interesting to see how many of these lads can progress to senior. Must say I like the cut of Tim O'Mahoney - raw & gangly but a great paw and can hurl too. Reminds me a bit of the young Setanta O'H.
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby Lurker » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:25 pm

Who'd be a ref?

I was in the open terrace side and the Limerick folk around me were losing their nut at how ridiculously biased the referee was, against their own side obviously. I arrived home and had a quick scan of Twitter, tweet after tweet of annoyed Cork folk, (supporters, past players, journalists, etc.) complaining about what a disgrace the referee was, Limerick's 16th man, the usual.

This is the second time in five days that a referee has needed to be escorted off the pitch after a Cork defeat at the Gaelic Grounds. I get as frustrated as the next man but sporting occasions should never end with such hostility. Jesus, good, bad or indifferent I have absolutely no doubt the guy was doing his level best.

How can so many Limerick and Cork supporters see the same things so differently? Yet the referee is always the one who is blind they would have you believe.

I think he had little bearing on the end result myself, he wasn't flawless, there were some dubious looking decisions and non-decisions for sure, but I genuinely don't think he was one-sided. The free count means zero without context, even with context it needs to be broken down and scrutinised properly. 18-5 are just numbers with little relevance.

The fact is that we really struggled in the first half especially, we were getting out-muscled which resulted in us fouling our men in situations where Limerick simply didn't need to. Our discipline wasn't what it could have been but it was also a result of being outplayed and dominated physically.

Off the top of my head, without having watched anything back yet, O'Mahony seemed to take a nice few step before scoring his goal, Dalton appeared very fortunate to escape of red card for a wild pull seconds after being booked and Coleman won a free to reduce the gap late on when he appeared to jump into the Limerick player. One of the two close in frees we got looked dubious also, although I would agree that some of the most scoreable Limerick frees appeared soft enough also.

Somebody above said Coleman did nothing to receive his yellow. That's incorrect, he pulled the Limerick player back as he broke past him but the referee played an initial advantage before giving the free in.

In the final analysis the better team won and really should have won by more. Credit to our fellas for a really gutsy performance against the odds, starting out against an excellent side, stiff breeze, vocal home support and down two of our best players and another very important one. Our backs overall were superb, they kept us in it along with Limerick's erratic free taking in the second half. They will all be very disappointed of course but they can hold their heads high, they did themselves proud.

Best of luck to Limerick in their quest for a second All Ireland in three years. A fine side that are capable of playing a lot better than they did yesterday, but that game will stand to them more than their previous two outings put together.
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby cahirofcork » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:33 pm

'18-5 are just numbers with little relevance'....

I'm sorry Lurker but how in God's name can you justify that ? In any sport especially a field sport, and with regard to frees, penalties whatever awarded against one team, any person interested in sport would smell a rat at the difference especially when the scoreline was close.

How many times were Cork players having their shirts pulled as they went forwards with nothing given, not even an advantage? Declan Dalton had a free given against him on the Limerick endline for nothing more than pressurising the Limerick full back. How many times did Limerick forwards who were getting bottled up in possession, turn 2 or three times and not get blown for over holding?
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Re: Cork U21 hurlers 2017

Postby Lurker » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:50 pm

The numbers are of little relevance because it's not the referees job to make sure the free count is even, or even fairly even. He has to call it as he sees it, if that means giving one team ten frees in a row, so be it. We fouled far more than they did, especially in the first half. This much was clear and obvious from where I was sitting but of course everybody is entitled to their own view. If you think we were as disciplined in the tackle as they were, fair enough.

I'm not saying he got everything right, I'm not even saying that Limerick didn't come out the right side of his decisions overall, but I am saying that I saw no obvious bias on his part and the referee being the topic of conversation in the aftermath of so many games is becoming really tedious.

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